Hi Dave, I have received the tachometer sensor. Many thanks. Could I trouble you for some guidance on wiring it to the EMCS tachometer. The sensor has a two way spade connector, I'm guessing one is a permanent 12V supply and the other the pulsed output, but which is which? I'm also guessing the body acts as the negative for the supply? Do you have a data sheet or fitting instructions? Hi Steve
All correct if we look at the spades as a 'T' the top of the 'T' is the input with a 1 amp fuse please. The upright of the 'T' runs to the tachio. On the rotating part that you are using as the focus you need something for it to pick up on that is more than 10mm proud of the moving part. The sensor needs to be 1mm from the pickup focus. I have a volvo penta 2002 engine with a control panel that I think is known as 'Alternative A' (tacho, temp,oil and battery lights. All our panels are custom made so you can have any gauges and switches that you need. Can your panels always be made to work with volvo wiring harness. OK short answer is yes the long answer is. The modern gauges use the same number of wires as older gauges so if you have a like for like panel the number of wires will be right. All the wiring on the panel is done for you, you or your engineer will need to match up the wires that go down to the engine room. That will be a positive a negative, a wire to start , preheat and stop if required then one wire for each gauge. won't I need different sensors for oil and water temp? Yes or no. All gauges work in the same way today as they did in the past. All gauges are set up as UK or USA settings, all our gauges are UK pattern. If your gauges are the same they will work if not you need new sensors - which we can provide. Do you give fitting/wiring guide? Yes we provide both sides of a multi plug with your new panel. Every wire on the multi plug is labeled so that you can match it up on your loom. The multi-plug will not fit directly to your original loom plug - this deliberately the case. Manufacturers change wiring from time to time so we can not make a plug to fit all cases, also we may breach copyright if we try. It should take your engineer less than two hours to match up the panel and loom if you have the correct wiring diagram. DIY should take about the same time but please, please get it checked before you switch on. We also can provide a full loom with engine panel and all the relays that are required. In this case all the sensors are connected to the loom for you. Any advice, help would be good. I hope that helps Dave Hi Dave,
It was nice to hear things are busy for you. Attached are some photos of the panel and loom etc that you supplied to myself. Any help you can give me regarding connecting this up would be great. Best regards Ian McCuaig. Hi Ian You need to clear a day or two when you can work on this. If you are confident doing this work yourself you need some on site support, 12v will not give you a shock but can cause a fire. The sensors are small one temp, fat one oil, third one revcounter and there should be a box with all the bits for the fuel sensor. Take one wire at a time look at the back of the you are working on and you will see that there are three lugs one marked + one marked - and one marked 'S' that is the only one that you need to worry about. Follow that colour wire to the end and fit the sensor. You should be doing this at home with a cup of tea! Once you have done that for all 4 gauges you should just have the start switch and the pos and neg. The start switch goes to the 85 lug on your relay. The pos needs to go through a 10amp fuse. Once we are at that stage get back to me for the next installment but you should have a good idea of what is going where on your engine now. Hi Dave All it says on all drawings is Stop magnet for the stop. I have 2 wires coming from the sensor to the old Tachometer. Will both wire be connected to the new tachometer? I ask since i know from the fishing boat that there are only one wire going from the alternator to the tachometer there. It's just so i know how to connect all this again:-) Will go offshore later today, so are a bit on/off here, since i will be working nights out there. But will answer during the evening/night. Regards Tommy Hi Tommy
A stop solenoid is a magnetic device usually with a external spring. The spring holds the stop lever on the fuel pump in the 'run' position. When you press the 'stop' button on the {Dragon} instrument panel power is sent to the solenoid which pulls against the spring moving the lever to the stop position. When you let go of the stop button the spring returns the lever to the run state. Note Solenoides can be: Power in external spring out. Power in internal spring out. Power in power out. Solenoid failure modes are: Spring broken - engine will not start lever in stop position. Solenoid fault - engine will not stop (spring type) engine will not stop or engine will not start (power in and out type) The {Dragon} panel will have a 5 amp push to make switch for your stop button. Some solenoides need more power than this so will need a relay. Dave Hi Dave All it says on all drawings is Stop magnet for the stop. I have 2 wires coming from the sensor to the old Tachometer. Will both wire be connected to the new tachometer? I ask since i know from the fishing boat that there are only one wire going from the alternator to the tachometer there. It's just so i know how to connect all this again:-) Will go offshore later today, so are a bit on/off here, since i will be working nights out there. But will answer during the evening/night. Regards Tommy Hi Tommy
The wiring for the sensor is normally [ live in - body negative - sensor output ] so two wires. You should find that you have a wire coming from the ignition switch to the sensor and one from the sensor to the tachometer. The output is normally 5v high / low logic flat pulse. The tachometer counts the changes in state. You will still need to follow the tachometer tuning instructions to set it up. Hello, I have trouble getting the gauge to work correctly. Could you point me out where to connect what wires ? The reason why is that the sender (1/8npt) might not be the correct resistance, is that possible? Kind regards. CK Hi CK
Yes that is quite possible. If things do not seem to be working as you expect the first thing to do is check your installation. 1.turn on your system and check that power is going to your gauge. 2. check that the negative is flowing freely back to the battery. A good negative is more important than a good positive to a gauge. 3. check that the signal wire is connected to the (correct) pole of your sensor. For a temperature gauge in a cold system the gauge should be reading zero. If your gauge is reading any value disconnect the signal wire from the sensor. It should now be reading zero. If not your gauge is faulty. 4. disconnect the signal wire from the sensor and touch the wire on to the body of the sensor (not the pole the brass part of the sensor). The gauge should jump up to max temp. If this happened your gauge and signal wire are good if not: 4.1 touch the signal wire on the NEGATIVE pole of your battery. if the gauge jumps up to maximum you have a engine earthing problem to fix. If the gauge did not move then you have a signal wire problem to fix. 5 if the gauge and signal wire are working correctly then you have a sensor issue. I hope that this helps. Dave, You can see on the sensor below that there are two inputs. One is for a gauge one is for a warning light. So it is doing two different jobs in one sensor. The warning light part is a simple switch, in this case it will switch at 98C + or - 3C. When the switch is open the light is on.
The other pole is for the gauge and dose a different job. This pole senses temp and gives a known resistance depending on temperature. This resistance is what your gauges are measuring. So do you connect one gauge to each tab - no. Will two gauges work off a single sensor? Yes should do in the worst case you can use a switch-over relay at the fly bridge for when you are up there. All gauges and sensors work in the same way - however they are not all compatible. Each sensor is designed to 'sense' a value range and send a value to its gauge in OHMS. So they all do the same thing - in the same way - however each manufacturer makes their gauges and sensors with their own set of values. There is not industry standard. When you purchase a gauge it will have information on the operating range and THE INPUT RANGE. When you purchase your sensor you need a matching set of operating and input range or the gauge will not function correctly. The best way to be sure is to purchase both gauge and sensor from the same place. Lister Petter wiring diagram sent separately. I have fitted the new panel but all not well. The Lister Petter loom has 11 wires however 2 are for the "delux" panel so only 9 are actually carried on past the main connector plug to the panel. I have connected 8 to the new panel and don't know if the 9th is required or not. If you refer to the wiring diagram I have connected as follows: Brown to "Live Feed" White/Red to "Starter" Black/Blue to RPM White to Preheat Black to Negative Orange to Pin 5 Oil Pressure Pink to Pin 3 Engine Temp Brown/Black to Pin6 Volt Alarm Red - not connected. The White is a single wire, not double as the drawing and is 1mm not 2.5mm which is what the Pink preheat wire is on your loom. The White/Red is 2.5mm whereas the Brown "starter" wire on your loom is 1mm. Both size mis-matches don't seem right to me as both circuits I think are high current. The old panel has a diode on the start wire - do I need one or is it replicated in the little black box on your loom? The engine starts OK but no RPM, the battery indicator shows red, no sounder when the engine is stopped with the strangler, and no sound when the ignition is switched on during the start procedure. The hour meter lights up but I only ran the engine for a couple of minutes so I don't know if it is recording anything. Any advice would be most welcome. Unfortunately I don't have easy access to a marine electrician where the boat is based. Regards Clive Scott Hi Clive
There are many questions here so lets work through them one at a time, as we solve a problem we move on to the next. The first problem that you have is that your Dragon panel is not designed to connect to the engine manufacturer's wiring. It is expected that you will connect directly to the specific engine components. Difference between wiring sizes: Your Dragon panel and the attached wiring is designed for electrical loads that will go through it if used correctly. The pink wire and brown wire on your new loom are both intended to 'drive' a electronic relay that was supplied with the loom. Only 1 amp is required to drive the relay. The 1.5 mm wire in your loom will carry 15 amps. The pink wire has a 70 amp relay - you will need to provide the 70 amp wire that runs from your battery to the relay and then on to the heater plug/s. The Brown wire has a 40 amp relay - once more you need to provide the wire that runs from the battery to the relay and then on to the solenoid on your starter motor. Please do not try to connect these wires directly by removing the relays. Once you have these two sorted out we will move on to the next. Dave |
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